“You’re Not Prohibited by Them from Doing the Right Thing, Are you?”

Last night’s Irvine City Council meeting was extremely interesting even though there were fewer “Smart” Meter speakers than at the 10/25/11 City Council meeting.   It was interesting because of a question Councilmember Larry Agran posed to Southern California Edison representative, Steve Nelson, after Mr. Nelson had given a short presentation on Edison’s “Smart” Meter program.  Councilmember Agran was talking about the issue of residents who were now requesting that their analog meters be switched back because they hadn’t been properly noticed, or had come home to find that Edison had installed the Smart Meters even though they had requested they be placed on the delay list.

“I cannot believe,” Councilmember Agran said to Mr. Nelson, “the CPUC prohibits you from accomodating those customers who you profess to want to serve?”

Right at that moment, however, another councilmember spoke up to say this was not an “agendized” item, so the answer to Agran’s question of whether the CPUC is “prohibiting” “the big powerful Southern California Edison company” (Mr. Agran’s words) from doing the right thing was left hanging. . . .

            Just prior to this, the Edison rep gave a short presentation which was very similar to the speech that Mrs. Buttress, another Edison representative, had given at the Tustin meeting on 11/1/11,  so verbatim that I was able to write down the “79,000 cars off the road” analogy he  was using to describe the potential savings from the Smart Meters (but which is actually due to a behavioral modification program  and not to anything inherently “green” about Smart Meters)  before it came out of the Edison rep’s mouth.

The discussion between Councilmember Agran and the Edison rep was so interesting, I transcribed it (see below).  (The Smart Meters discussion in full  starts at around 2:59 if you view the tape)


Irvine City Council Meeting, 11/8/11 (Discussion Between Councilmember Agran and Southern California Representative)

Councilmember Larry Agran:  I just want to understand this a little bit.

If somebody got on the  opt out list in time–they didn’t have the smart meter installed- the delay list. . . .  If they didn’t and apparently  you have to do this seven days in advance or you get (according to one testimonial here)- if you didn’t  do it  seven days in advance, you’re stuck.  Do you know that to be true?


Edison Representative (walking back to the podium):    “Councilman Agran, that’s correct. Once the meter’s installed, once the contractor installs the meter, then the meter is left in place.


Councilmember AgranAnd so at that point you can just call and ask to be put on a removal list pending action by the CPUC? 


Edison RepThat’s correct.   If I had a smart meter  on my house and I called in–then the meter would stay on my house, but there are active negotiations  taking place right now between the utilities and the State of California and the Public Utilities Commission on this very matter. So we’re all about customer choice and any time there’s a hearing, we’re there participating and should an opt out choice become available, then we would work with the customers on those lists to honor their choice.


Councilmember AgranMayor, I know this isn’t an agenda item—and therefore I don’t want to prolong this, but it does seem to me the big powerful Southern California Edison company ought to figure out a way to  accommodate customers who got caught up in this and want these, so called, Smart Meters removed.   I don’t buy the argument about the CPUC.   You’re  not prohibited by them from doing the right thing, are you?


Edison Rep: This is a statewide program and there are certain protocols that the CPUC has implemented, and that’s the way the system works.


Councilmember Agran: Without having researched it–I’ll bet the CPUC has not   prohibited you from going back and removing those where there is a meritorious case that somebody didn’t get properly informed or whatever.

I cannot believe the CPUC prohibits you from accommodating those customers who you profess to want to serve?


Edison RepWe do serve them, and I understand your position.


Councilmember Agran: Well, my point is


Councilmember Lalloway:   Mr. Mayor, I’m sorry. This is not an agendized item. We’re now into the discussion of this.  If we’re all going to discuss this, I think we need an emergency motion.


Mayor Kang: —I realized that


Councilmember Agran:  Well, maybe we should put it on the agenda for the next meeting to have a thorough discussion


Councilmember LallowayI would support that.

 (Mayor Kang then requested of the Edison rep. that SCE, in the meantime, contact the people who had spoken at the prior council meeting; the City would provide the contact info)


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3 Responses to “You’re Not Prohibited by Them from Doing the Right Thing, Are you?”

  1. Edisons going to shut my electricity off 5/28/12 if I don’t pay $250.00 I removed there smart meter and installed an analog meter that I bought from Jerry Day with the legal paper work. I gave notice to Edison of my intent and they wouldn’t replace the smart meter with an analog meter. So I replaced it with a new analog meter and sent back the smart meter to Edison. They then notified me and threatened me finally they said they would have to use one of there analog meters at no time did they say they would charge me only after it was installed. Is any lawyers handling class action suits against Edison? Thanks

  2. Hi Dennis,
    See if you can negotiate with them to have them charge you just the 75 dollar initial fee-which is what they have been authorized to charge –not $250.00.
    There are a few legal challenges going on and probably more to follow.
    When you do pay the fee (75.00), write “paid under protest.” I will ask some others if they have any other suggestions, Dennis.


  3. Hi Dennis,
    Here are a few more suggestions from activists working on this. Send SCE one of the form letters (or take ideas from the form letters) by certified mail that can be found on EMF Safety Network, StopSmartMeters.org or Jerry Day’s site, detailing why you refuse to have a smart meter. Cite the various objections that pertain–such as health reasons. These objections are legitimate and put the utility on notice. The suggestion is that letting them know that you are working with interest groups will be more effective. They don’t like the negative PR.
    As I stated above, I don’t think they can justify charging you more than the $75.

    There are some people who are refusing to pay an opt out and have signed a petition and are risking having their power shut off. If you go this route, band together with others who are doing this. I think about 400 have signed that petition. Contact StopSmartMeters for info on that.


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